“We conducted the experiment,” he said, presumably referring to the period in the 80s and 90s when Jobs was pushed out of the company and Apple’s business suffered. “I mean, it’s been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now we’re going to see Apple without Steve Jobs.”
Each time Ellison mentioned Apple with Jobs, he pointed his finger upward; each time he mentioned Apple without Jobs, he pointed his finger downward.
That’s pretty much my take as well.
And the markets look like they might be buying into it, too:
Time will, as it always does, tell, though.